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G&A Poll: Should Georgia Gun Range Get Approval to Sell Alcohol?

by G&A Online Editors   |  September 21st, 2012 43

Governors Gun ClubA planned Georgia gun range is coming under heavy scrutiny after being approved to sell alcohol on its grounds.

According to WSB-TV, residents are concerned about guns falling into the wrong hands after the Powder Springs, Ga., City Council approved a liquor license for The Governor’s Club, a $3.5 million facility under construction, by a 4-1 decision Monday. The decision will allow the club to serve alcohol in a lounge, which the owners say will be gun-free.

The approval has nearby residents up in arms, so to speak.

“I mean, that’s just stupid,” Traci Hart told WSB-TV. “… We don’t need drunk people running around in and out of the neighborhood.”

One of the club’s owners, Kristina Brown–who also owns Lakeside Guns Shop in Acworth, Ga., with her husband, Bert Brown–said it’s not as black-and-white as some make it out to be.

Kristina Brown told the city council that guns would not be allowed in the lounge, nor would alcohol be allowed outside the range, and customers who enter the lounge may not be allowed back on the range. A gun valet system with lockers will be available, Kristina Brown said, and customers will be allowed to leave the club with their guns.

“Customers will have to order a drink with their identification card and once the card is accepted, and flagged, they cannot be checked back into the range that day,” Kristina Brown said in a statement to WSB-TV. “… Georgia Law allows persons with gun permits to bring their weapon into a restaurant that serves alcohol, we are taking it even a step further.”

  • guesswho

    I personal have done work in 2 different gun clubs both have in door ranges and a bar. My gun club that i belong to and theres a bar and shotguns guns a arms reach away obviously have to be unloaded and shown to un loaded. its all about responability

    • USPatriotOne

      This is America and all our rights are under attack..!! People need to get their noses out of other peoples business. I am sick of these Liberal/Progressive/Communist taking all the good out of this Great Nation of ours. If we don't stand-up now it WILL be to late…take my word for it. Dr Williams show the Patriot Report on address what is going on…!!!

  • Wolvie

    Currently, there are states that allow people to go to restaurants and even bars while they are carrying concealed.

    Judging by the national lack of arrests and incidents, I'm inclined to believe that there isn't a problem.

    I for one will not even take a sip of alcohol when I am carrying for fear that it could be used against me if I'm forced to use or even display my gun in a self-defense situation. I feel the same way about driving or riding my motorcycle. However, that is only my own personal rule and I feel that people can drink responsibly and safely handle dangerous machines. Though to be honest, I'd like to see them stay away from the bottle when carrying, driving, riding, etc.

    The last point I would like to touch upon is not whether they have the right to do it…but rather, SHOULD they do it. Again, from a purely personal note, I don't think it's a great idea. I have no problem annoying the "antis" when it's a matter of personal rights…but this is more of business decision that isn't about the constitution.

    Either way, I wish them luck and will support their decision as long as they show responsible business practices and a focus on safety. If they don't and cause the rest of us problems by acting irresponsibly, I'll be first in line yelling for their collective heads.

    • Joe

      My thoughts word for word…

    • Bob

      Good thoughts. I will not drink while carrying because of the same fear you have. My CCW is void if I do (California Law) but I can carry in a restaurant but not in a bar.

    • Arthur L. Brown Sr.

      Well said Lawfully yes they can! Responsibly I wonder. My concern is how it will affect the rest of the " gun community".

    • Charlie G

      I am against it. One person drinking to much then retrieving his gun on exit and getting into gun related trouble would give the anti-gunners to much ammunition.

    • Mark E. Johnson

      I have to agree, Wolvie. I have concerns regarding the close proximity, but if responsible practices and safeguards are placed, there shouldn't be an issue. There are so many irresponsible people out there making it bad for those of us who DO act responsibly that I have to side with the business on this one. The question of constitutionality doesn't even enter here.

  • Matt G

    I don't think its a good idea. There are some who can handle their alcohol and some who can't. No need to introduce an element that does not promote safety on or around a gun range. This is responsible vs. irresponsible and at some point irresponsible could gain the upper hand and make a mess of things.

  • Warren

    Traci Hart must be an idiot, "drunk people running around." Evidently she is judging all others by her own actions.

    • CJ Paul

      Good point!

  • Wayne Fincke

    In New Mexico, if you are pulled over while carrying and under the "influence", you stand to loose all your 2A rights. Zero tolerance in my opinon is a GOOD thing in this case. What are these people thinking!? Oh wait…I know…make more money, money, money. VERY bad idea! Drink at home AFTER a good day at the range and ONLY AFTER you have secured your firearms.

    Kindest Regards…

    In God We Trust…

  • Joe

    Wolvie just stole my comment so I'll shut up…

    Only thinkg to add I was myself toying with the idea of gunshop/lounge combo – obviously to be named "ATF"…

  • Tracy Thorleifson

    Alcohol and firearms don't mix any better than alcohol and automobiles, motorcycles, airplanes, power tools, etc. You don't have to be drunk for a tragedy to occur; all it takes is a single moment of inattention. Sadly, this happens all too often with people who are totally sober; it's that much more likely to happen with (even minimal) alcohol impairment. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure this out. Keep 'em separate.

    "Aviation in itself is not inherently dangerous. But to an even greater degree than the sea, it is terribly unforgiving of any carelessness, incapacity or neglect."
    — Captain A. G. Lamplugh

    The same applies to firearms.

  • Shiloh1

    My state currently allows concealed carry in restaurants that serve alcohol as long as you don't drink. In short, they trust you to follow the rules and to my knowledge, no problems. In the situation of a gun club, there will be even more scrutiny and controls in place as liquor licenses are gold to those that hold them. More upscale gun clubs are also incorporating more social activity and many that frequent these clubs don't actually shoot (normally attending with others that do). While I personally don't drink, I would have no problem with belonging to a club that has a set-up as described. Socializing with others that have like interests is time well spent and I don't see a "the sky is falling" problem here.

  • craig

    I have gone to matches where after the match was over on saturday the guns were put away an we had a cook out, alcohol was there if you wanted to drink. Like any where alse it's not about getting drunk. We are resonsible adults and drinking an driving is not exceptable. So wheather or not you bring your own or get it there, it should not be a problem.

  • David

    It's a very awkward situation. If I were a business owner, I personally would never consider combing alcohol and firearms. The liability for the whole operation lies in the hands on the lowliest knucklehead. However, as a customer I think I might enjoy a good day at the range with friends and then a cold beer. We often do it that way anyway, but it means leaving the range and stopping somewhere for a cold one.

    There can be plenty of safety measures put in place but it only takes one moron to ruin a good thing. So the same old question applies: "Do the safe-minded, law-abiding people get to enjoy there rights or do they have to conform to the standards required in order to keep the careless, lawless ones safe?"

    • David

      *combining* not combing… more coffee, then proofread…

    • Frank G

      Perfect David
      All bases covered. Even if "a cold one" after all weapons are locked away and not allowed access to the range some " knuckle dragger" will no doubt "mouth off" how horid someone shot. Here we go, a nock down slam fest, hopeffuly no to be finished in the parking lot.

  • CJ Paul

    When I was at Camp LeJeune, we would sometimes go to Flatwood Outfitters for an afternoon of shooting. When we were done, we could grab a bite to eat and some cold suds in their bar that was downstairs from the gun shop. It was very enjoyable and relaxing, and you were never permitted back on the range afterward, not even to observe. As others have stated, all of these mature activities should be conducted responsibly, and I see no need for more Nanny State regulations that cost taxpayers more money.

    Food for thought: If we are opposed to drinking and carrying, how about using a firearm to protect your home on an evening when you've consumed alcohol within?

    • David

      "My house, my rules." Uninvited guests get three complimentary rounds on the house (not beers).

      • Wayne Fincke

        LOL!!! Well said David!

      • CJ Paul

        I like that!

    • Wayne Fincke

      That would be a whole different story, although a kind of "complicated" one. The rules of engagement, as I'm sure you know, are if you believe that your life is in danger inside your own home, your right to defend it is non-negotiable. Tipsy or not…if the bad guy is trying to do bodily harm, you do what is necessary to stop the threat.
      The law is pretty clear, at least it is here, on that note.

      Kindest Regards…

      In God We Trust…

      • Wayne Fincke

        Sorry…should have read "complicated" one state by state….

  • Wayne Fincke

    Very good points of view and comments, although, the problem is the trip home with your firearm(s) after having had one or two. If you had to invoke your right to protect yourself (or someone else for that matter) would you be able to explain why (after being tested for drugs or alcohol, and believe me, they WILL test) you had been drinking even if the confrontation was justified? Even if you just got pulled over for some reason, the problem would stem from LE just "smelling" the alcohol you had consumed. Like I said before in my former post, New Mexico has a ZERO tolerance for drinking and carrying/transportation of a firearm. If they suspect you of having just one, your busted and lose your rights under the law. Would it be worth the chance? No…I don't think so.

    Kindest Regards…

    In God We Trust…

    • CJ Paul

      I agree. That does not mean I have to drink, and I often go shooting with friends. Either way, driving can be responsibly handled, as it should every day.

  • Dozer

    In my club there are some folks that go just to get away from their "better half" for a little while, they don't even bring a gun! It's all about the social time for them. If you're actively shooting then obviously you shouldn't be allowed to consume alcohol. Sounds to me like the owners system will work just fine. The commies need to butt out and tend to their own doings!

  • 4n6 rule

    When I was younger, we used to joke that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms provided everything that you needed for a good weekend. When they included explosives in their title, then they even made fishing part of that weekend. But realize that it was JUST A JOKE! As adults that are responsible for ourselves and the consequences of our actions, I don't see a problem here. You can never make any system idiot proof since idiots tend to be quite ingenious. Until the self-righteous chest thumpers realize that, you will always get them to interfere anything that they themselves do not do and therefore feel justified in denying others.

  • Shawn O'Loughlin

    We're not talking about teenagers here, we're talking about adults, and adults should not be treated as children. I believe most adults are responsible enough to decide to choose either to drink and not carry or carry and not drink. To assume everyone is guilty of making poor decisions is labeling all of us "guilty until proven innocent". It seems to me the business owner has things under control and the city council agrees. Hell, it's a country club, not a biker bar or honky-tonk..

    "A liberal cannot be happy unless everyone around them is miserable. " – me

    • Tim LV

      I've seen more jackasses in Country Clubs than biker bars.

  • Alan Butterworth

    I live in Louisiana and We still have Daiquiri Stores that You Drive thru. Go figure? Just because it's "Legal" doesn't mean it's right. If You drink and Drive You should lose Your Drivers Lic. until You kick the Addiction. Or maybe We should make every Mind Bending substance on Earth Legal so We can reduce the Population further with Carnage on Our Roads. Every Hunter should be given a couple of shots before He loads His Weapon and all Policemen should hit the Bar before their shift. I know… That's a bunch of Ignorant suggestions but no more Ignorant than Drinking and Driving and unless You Live at the Gun Club You will, at some point, have to drive. FYI, if You Kill someone I Love because You are intoxicated You will learn the meaning of Biblical Justice! That's a PROMISE.

  • Ernie White

    It looks like every one said all that can be said!!!

  • jeepers creepers

    If an under cover or on duty L.E.O. can drink, drive, carry and possibily fire his handgun. Why shouldn't the rest of use be able to do the same. It must be safe. L.E.O.'s do it all the time. It is one of the main reasons why I'm "anti-L.E.O."
    Also the fact when I was held up at gun point 4 LEO's were 30 seconds away. I got no help from them. So any LEO had better not expect any help from me. ( they will get extreme hate only).

  • mo-Ron

    I vote for keeping the two separate

  • DangerousDave

    You should absolutely ban alcohol from a facility that caters to those that use projectile weapons like golf and bowling.
    I did not vote because the choices seemed too totalitarian.
    Can't we just talk about zombies, oh I guess we are.

  • jerry k

    I personally think my CCW and my CDL are far more important than a DUI. just a thought !

  • john howard

    I belonged to a gun club that among other things,had a pool table and a pop machine filled with beer in the clubhouse. The beer was sold at cost. I thought it was nice to invite a friend to go shooting for a few hours, go into the clubhouse, shoot a few rounds of pool and have a beer or two. It made for a nice day.

  • strider61

    My gun club in Michigan has a very comfortable lounge for socializing after a pleasant day on the range. In the winter there is an open fire and we gather for a coffee/scotch/beer and relax. In my 10 years as a member there has never been an incident of even a raised voice.

  • Terry

    Of course it should be alowed. Hasn't these people ever heard of alcohol, tobacco and firearms????

  • Thom Sanders

    Booze and guns were never a good couple… I think it makes sense

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  • Bud

    I live in NC. You can't carry concealed if you've had a drop of alcohol. If you were to shoot, safely put away your firearm, have a drink or two and then start home you'd be in a world of hurt if stopped. It just doesn't make sense to me to have a bar in a shooting range. I have nothing against having a drink. However, neither motor vehicles and alcohol nor firearms and alcohol mix.
    One last note. While we all know that there are no such things as quotas in any form of law enforcement, particularly the traffic laws, if I were behind in my DUIs for the month I’d probably hang out near that gun range maybe once a month.

  • ZackEatsBacon

    Haha, only in Georgia would they combine alcohol and ammo. They're building that range about 15 minutes from where I grew up. It should be fairly safe, all the people you should worry about around there don't attend gun clubs, they just get drunk and shoot stuff in the woods.

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