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Read & React: Washington Man Cites Biden Shotgun Advice in Weapons Charge

by Dylan Polk   |  July 22nd, 2013 67

Back when Vice President Joe Biden offered his own home-defense tips—dangerous and illegal as they were—we wondered if anyone would actually discharge a weapon, then cite the second-highest public official in the country as defense.

Well, that’s finally happened. According to Fox News, a Washington man has cited Biden’s advice after facing weapons charges for illegally firing his shotgun while chasing prowlers away.

Jeffery Barton, 52, of Vancouver, Wash., entered a plea of not guilty Wednesday on a charge of illegally aiming or discharging a firearm. Barton said he was only following Biden’s advice when he fired his shotgun while chasing a group of prowlers he suspected were trying to break into one of his vehicles.

Check out the video from KOIN-TV.

“I did what Joe Biden told me to do,” Barton told KOIN-TV following his arraignment hearing. “I went outside and fired my shotgun in the air.”

Well, he is right about that. During an online Q&A in February, Biden posited that all one needs for home defense is a double-barreled shotgun—not an AR-15, which he said are harder to aim and shoot—and shared the same advice he offers to his wife Jill: If she suspects someone is at their home with less-than-admirable intentions, just walk out on the porch and “fire two blasts” into the air.

Of course, that advice goes against basic firearms safety and, especially in urban areas, the law. So when the president’s second-in-command to offer such irresponsible, dangerous advice, it immediately went viral and made Biden even more of a laughingstock around the firearms community.

Be that as it may, Barton’s defense is still weak. Had he been a responsible gun owner, he would have taken the high road and neglected Biden’s, er, wisdom in favor of safer firearm use.

Be advised, dear reader: Just because someone in the public spotlight—particularly one who has no clue what he’s talking about—offers up some advice is no excuse for negligence.

What do you think? Is Barton justified in acting irresponsibly because of Biden’s advice, or should he have taken a different route?

  • Michael Charles

    Following Biden’s advice makes perfect sense…….to a Democrat.

  • gisurplus

    Joe biden is ignorant. And if you listen to his advice ….. well sir i. Believe that makes you ignorant as well .

  • Shayla Striffler

    Did he even really cite Biden’s advice? Fox news has a history of making up their own facts.

    • Dj

      Can you cite one? I don’t doubt they do but, are they anything like NBC editing the Zimmerman tapes to make him look racist? Or NBC blowing up cars and claiming it happened on it’s own? Or CBS faking documents? Or msnbc editing sandy hook testimony to make protesters look bad? Or cnn claiming white teaparty activists were carrying guns at demonstrations? Or ABC reporting that the aurora shooter was a teaparty member? Shall I continue?

      • Shayla Striffler

        None of those others were mentioned in the article, so why bring them up? Fox has a vast history of phony facts. You need only watch the John Stewart Show to see a few on nearly a daily basis.

        • William Bacus

          The “Comedy” Show with “Jon” Stewart? You mean “The Daily Show” on Comedy Central? You probably get your facts from the Colbert Report too! I really hope that your getting the context clues here. And you still ducked the question “Can you cite one?”

          • Shayla Striffler

            Pick one. I guess you don’t know how to use Google.

            http://mediamatters.org/search/index?qstring=fox+news&x=13&y=6

          • johnnyu

            Liberal rag …. I was a liberal I work for them nyc ..you really can’t see all the lies ….benghazi 4 people died …. irs the lady took the 5th …. fast and furious Eric Holder was held in contempt of congress… that means he has something to hide… the president had to use presidential order to protect him from revealing the truth…. thousand of Mexican were killed with the guns they sent across the border… plus a U.S. border agent was killed…. I don’t know about you but when people start dying that when I leave these people don’t care about LIFE… ONLY POLITICS… they want to allow abortions AFTER 6 months thats a human being.. I mean if you can’t figure out that you want abortion after 6 month theres something wrong with you …… and why do lesbian care about abortions…… they ain’t never having kids but they fight like crazy to make sure you kill yours ……THEY ARE MURDERS…. ENJOY BEING A LIBERAL …maybe your next

          • Shayla Striffler

            Yes, 4 died in Benghazi and the GOP went nuts. Over 60 died in embassy attacks under Bush. Where was the rage then? How many innocent Americans and Iraqis died because of Bush?

            IRS scandal was BS, they were investigating groups from both parties. Didn’t Fox clue you in on that? Are you aware that the l;largest shareholder of Fox stock is a member of the Saudi royal family? Do you know why Fox news is banned in Canada? Because they will not adhere to Canada’s truth in broadcasting law. That alone is plenty of proof for me. Typical repub, you ignore facts even when they are right in front of you. And for the record, I’m an independent and choose the candidate that is the lessor of two evils. The current GOP is evil and need to leave woman’s health decisions to women. You are a man so decide male issues instead of trying to force your ideology on everyone else. The bible even says life begins at birth, when the soul enters the body. Guess that fucks up your argument about abortions. The GOP only cares about the unborn. Why do they cut aid for children? After one is born, it’s too bad, you’re on your own. I don’t know how you got lesbians into this, but I have been married (to a man) twice idiot. THERE IS SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU, GOP HYPOCRITES!

          • johnnyu

            The “Fox is banned in Canada” lie exposed:
            Fox News is not illegal in Canada. Fox is a standard channel offered by many cable companies, available on-Air from broadcasters transmitted from the states to many Canadians, and of course available on satellite or internet delivery. However, Fox just isn’t as popular in Canada as other US stations (CBS, ABC, CNN, etc.) merely because it has a lot of US sports content not terribly appealing to Canadians. Finally, course few Canadians watch any US new (let alone news channels) simply because their stories aren’t as meaningful to Canadians. So many Canadian cable companies don’t carry Fox News (or CNN) — you get CTV News or BBC World News.

            The law referenced only applies to Canadian broadcasters using Canadian airwaves. Basically, it was put in place to ban the CBC (government subsidized) and Canadian broadcasters (using Canadian frequencies) from political ads, infomercials, phony health shows, etc. designed to look like news but selling stuff. Talk shows and discussion groups are not considered news programs. So… this law only affects the CBC and those broadcasting over regular air waves — it does not affect any US station (they don’t broadcast over Canadian air waves), nor any satellite, cable, or internet delivery — i.e. about 95% of broadcasting is exempt.

          • BarrysHypocrisy

            HAHAHAHAHAHA……meida matters……you should have just put down a link to the national democratic parties website and their daily “defend Obama” talking points.

          • Shayla Striffler

            Look at that! Another idiot that doesn’t know how to use Google. Nice try Johny/barry. No capitals, dot, dot, dot, same exact writing style. You aren’t fooling anyone. Just because you have more than one username doesn’t make you right asshole. Media Matters posts their sources and unedited content is right there on the links. I know, those stupid facts fuck you up every time, even when under your nose. If you use Google, you can see over 700,000 hits for Fox phony facts, but that’s just too much work isn’t it?

          • Dave Kugler

            Why do you always have to attack people with rude names….can’t you just discuss the facts without becoming intolerant and shrill?

          • BarrysHypocrisy

            Liberals are intolerant. It’s part of their disease.

          • BarrysHypocrisy

            hehehehe….man, your posts just keep getting stupider and more inane each time. I’ll bet you believe every lie they spoon feed you on MSNBC.

            Just stay bent over and keep smiling. Obama loves to screw willing sheep like you.

            And John doesn’t need my help to make you look stupid. You’re doing a bang up job all by yourself.

          • Shayla Striffler

            You might try thinking for yourself instead of whatever Fox tells you.

        • johnnyu

          you are kool aid brain washed NBC LEMING ……. YOU GET YOUR NEWS FOR A COMEDIAN on comedy central do you watch the cartoons do get any facts from bugs bunny ARE KIDDING ME THATS WHERE YOU GET FACTS no wonder Obama is president……… brain dead

          • Andrew T

            You do realize that not long ago a study found that viewer of those two “comedy” programs were much more informed about issues than those who watch their local news. This is not to say that they do not have their own slant on the issues, but they tend to be more balanced than ALL of the main media outlets. There is a tv on right behind me at work with volume on that we alternate between major channels. I am seeing national news for more than 43 hours every week. I do not always agree with those two programs but they do convey valid ideas.

            You sir clearly need to lay off the fox “news” channel for a while. You sound like glen beck…

          • johnnyu

            thats a comedy show…. where are reporters the people to investigate legitimate new like AP when was john stuart been in the white house press room does he have people at the pentagon reporters in the middle east.. your nuts thats ludacris fox…!! I watch them all … and the internet….do have a computer stop playing games and get informed I watch comedy to laugh not to get legitimate news what’s the name of the study… by some liberal rag or liberal university…. your brain wash…. I worked or the liberal party shit heads like anthony weiner who has to show that weiner to everyone….they depend on people being stupid and uninformed.. comedy news is piped in..to joker writers not journalists.. I watch….fox. what!!!!!. jon stewart watches fox all day that’s where his writers get all there distorted jokes…. that you believe.. and distort the truth you get your news from jon stuart ….wow that’s what wrong with this country you’re looking for laughs not news….. I look for the truth… you really believe its legitimate news ….hey grow up buy a newspaper go on the internet look for the truth …before you give your brain to anyone

          • johnnyu

            The Daily Show (commonly referred to as The Daily Show with Jon Stewart as of 1999), is an American late night satirical television program airing each Monday through Thursday on Comedy Central and, in Canada, The Comedy Network. The half-hour long show premiered on July 21, 1996, and was hosted by Craig Kilborn until December 1998. Jon Stewart took over as host in January 1999, making the show more strongly focused on politics and the national media, in contrast with the pop culture focus during Kilborn’s tenure. It is currently the longest running program on Comedy Central, and has won 18 Primetime Emmy Awards.
            I think this is all I have to say
            Describing itself as a fake news program, ………..The Daily Show draws its comedy and satire from recent news stories, political figures, media organizations, and often, aspects of the show itself. The show typically opens with a long monologue from Jon Stewart relating to recent headlines and frequently features exchanges with one or more of several correspondents, who adopt absurd or humorously exaggerated takes on current events against Stewart’s straight man persona. The final segment is devoted to a celebrity interview, with guests ranging from actors and musicians to nonfiction authors and political figures.The program is popular among young audiences, with organizations such as the Pew Research Center suggesting that 80% of regular viewers are between 18 and 49, and that 10% of the audience watch the show for its news headlines, 2% for in-depth reporting, and 43% for entertainment, compared with 64% who watch CNN for the news headlines.[1] Critics have chastised Stewart for not conducting sufficiently hard-hitting interviews with his political guests, some of whom he may have lampooned in previous segments. Stewart and other Daily Show writers have responded to such criticism by saying that they do not have any journalistic responsibility and that as comedians their only duty is to provide entertainment. Stewart’s appearance on the CNN show Crossfire parodied this debate, where he chastised the CNN production and hosts for not conducting informative and current interviews on a news network.

          • Shayla Striffler

            Took about a second to search Fox News Phony Facts and get back over 760,000 results. Wow! That was hard. Don’t ask for someone to cite examples when all you are going to do after getting some is rant ass-hat.

          • johnnyu

            easy to find the truth at all those liberal sites…….. right ….impress me ….go to a site that’s not liberal a sites that you dont like and read them if you feel the same way there is……. no hope…. i’m not trying to change your mind….. just to open it… when you get as old as me and seen what I have seen theres a saying 19 years old to 25 democrat 25 to 45 liberal 45 to 65 republican 65 to 70 years old…. too smart to give a shit

          • Shayla Striffler

            Tell me why your party insists on making abortion illegal even in cases of rape or incest.
            If abortion is made illegal, then they need to make it illegal for men to desert women they knocked up. If a woman can’t back out of a pregnancy, a man shouldn’t be able to either.
            And how about that sanctity of marriage argument? If the GOP wants to protect marriage, start by making divorce illegal. Until that happens it’s all bullshit.
            Guess you’re too old to get educated, judging by the fact that you can’t form a complete or proper sentence. Try some capitals and punctuation.
            And tell me, what exactly are you conservatives trying to conserve? If you want to live like the Amish, go for it, but leave the rest of us alone.
            You have not answered one question, so I am done asshole.

          • johnnyu

            what are doing on site call guns and ammo

          • Shayla Striffler

            I own guns, so deal with it. Don’t whine when the GOP cuts your medicare and social security. Both were cut in the Ryan budget.

          • BarrysHypocrisy

            News flash Shayla: there is a DEMOCRAT in charge. If medicare or social security gets cut, it will be his fault.

          • johnnyu

            the ryan budget never got passed the democrats took 250 billion for medicare to start Obamacare …remember I’m the old fart that should die… I would know …question ? what are you going to do when the demon-craps take that gun away or make it so hard to get ammo or only allow you 1 bullet in your gun like they did in Conn…… after the shooting of all those kids .. I think N.Y. has the law only 5 bullets allowed…. oh ! that fox Canada thing was bogus you really have read everything…… that’s not what law said… they have fox in canada

          • Shayla Striffler

            The Ryan budget didn’t get passed because of Democrats. What do you think the GOP will do when in power again? They will funnel even more of our tax dollars to their corporate masters while gutting programs that help average Americans. Remember Bush said his biggest regret was not privatizing social security. Had he done so, where would you be after the economy crashed at the end of his presidency? Privatization is just a way to give our money to Wall street so they can gamble. There are no consequences for them when they screw up, but we lose money. If that’s what you want, keep voting GOP. You can’t spell conservative without CON.

          • johnnyu

            Shayla your …o.k. you got TRUE GRIT you believe in what think wholeheartedly….. you’re a little left of an independent …. you carry a gun for self defence I wish you got your news form a better source I was the same when I was young in 1964 i protested the war. . I live in N.Y. I WAS SCARED OF GUNS.. I worked for a city councilman election in the village… i thought that only criminals have guns I was very liberal….. then I moved to florida got older and my idea changed now my friends from N.Y. think i’m a gun nut,, I reload my ammo and have nice collection..its a great hobby , I wasn’t influence by my friends ,or to be cool … and I became the person I liked… I can live in my own skin … after all we are all the sum of own experiences ….. I may not feel this tomorrow,,, and that how change works …..always keep an open mind…… like you…… I would fight with friends on politics I remember I had an argument with this guy ….i was very liberal…. every time we met….. he would get me so angry
            he told me one day ……. he couldn’t stop laughing at me,,, as he drove away seeing me hopping up and down…. so mad …in his rear view mirror …. where still good friends he hasn’t change…. I have … so stick to your guns …… life change’s all of us …….one day at a time

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaylastriffler/ Shayla Striffler

            I don’t carry a gun, but I do own guns. I was born and raised in Wyoming, so guns were around growing up. I don’t have cable and rarely watch TV. Most of my news comes from the internet. My views are mostly shaped toward the world I want my son to grow up in.

          • johnnyu

            Good for you….. I hope you are blessed with the peace you seek, for you and your children…. who is to say I am right …… it feel right for me .politician have all been crooks since the days of rome…… I pray to god that he can lead us all to the truth that all children will be safe…… we are powerless… all we have is a vote… to change things….. thank you for the feisty debate

          • Shayla Striffler

            One final word, glad you won’t be around too much longer you sorry excuse for a human being.

        • Dj

          OK so you can’t cite one… just checkin’

          • Shayla Striffler

            What, another that doesn’t know how to Google? Do it yourself, I’m done with you trolls.

          • Dj

            That which can be asserted without evidence can be dismissed without evidence. If you are going to make an argument, it is incumbent upon you to prove that argument. Apparently that is a concept too difficult for you to understand.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaylastriffler/ Shayla Striffler

            Just like religion and the book of mythology called The Bible?

          • Dj

            Ahhh so your true colors finally show… I knew it was just a matter of time.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaylastriffler/ Shayla Striffler

            So tell me how guns and god go together since his first commandment was “thou shalt not kill.” You do know Jesus was not a blue eyed blonde but a brown skinned middle eastern jew, right?

          • Stan Robertson

            If you’re going to cite the Bible, do your homework!. The Hebrew translation of “thou shalt not kill”. was “thou shalt not MURDER” Jesus allowed for the defense of cities, and self.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaylastriffler/ Shayla Striffler

            So a billion bibles printed in English are mistranslated and wrong and I’m suppose to accept that on your word? Right.

          • Dj

            Wow, you must lead a sad life. Does EVERY debate you have somehow devolve into a tirade about religion? Or is it that you can’t win a debate about the subject at hand so you necessarily need to shift focus to something else.
            Weak… your skills are weak.

          • http://www.flickr.com/photos/shaylastriffler/ Shayla Striffler

            And still, no one can answer my questions.

    • dylanpolk

      If you watch the video, Barton clearly says, “I did what Joe Biden told me to do.” Enough with the name-calling and foul language.

      Dylan Polk
      G&A Social Media Editor

    • riccardo99

      You mean you didn’t see the video of him saying that? It was part of an interview. Seriously, the “advice” he gave was illegal, which is why this man shouldn’t have followed it. Too bad…the Veep should know the law better than that.

      • Shayla Striffler

        Yes, the VP did say that. Just because Fox says this guy claimed it was why he did it is not proof he actually did so. Show me an interview of the guy with the shotgun saying as much.

        • riccardo99

          It’s in the news video at the top of this story. It was also reported in our local paper. I live just outside Vancouver (where it occurred); we are right across the Columbia River from Portland. I saw this story the night it originally aired. Only one of Portland’s three major network affilliates aired this–I assume because it’s embarrassing for Biden. This wasn’t originally a Fox News story; it was aired on CBS locally. But I doubt CBS took it national for the same reason, so Fox did. What I dont like is that if a member of the Bush administration had offered up illegal advice like Biden did, it would have made the front page the next day, along with claims of incompetence. But that was nowhere to be seen in this case…

    • gunnerv1

      And meanwhile, 8 hours later, the Police finally show up to take the report (and arrest you for following the V.P.’s advice).

  • Jon W Seager

    If you can’t believe the Vice President of the United States, the second most powerful man in the country, who can you trust? Wasn’t Biden also an attorney in the state of Delaware? Wow, both a lawyer and the VP.

  • Dave Kugler

    Joe Biden…..when you need an excuse to do something stupid!

  • SLS Member

    “I don’t always do stupid things, but when I do it’s because I’m following the VP’s sage advice.”

  • HUNTERVIC

    Suggestion

    Come nosing around my digs at night unannounced, and I’ll show you how it’s done.

  • SamF1911

    Mr. Barton should’ve just stayed in his home and called the the police. Observe and report.

  • Skip Kilgore

    Sorry to say,advice from anyone in DC never is the truth they all talk out of their back side

    • johnnyu

      thank you you are……. right

  • Skip Kilgore

    Sorry to say,advice from anyone in DC never is the truth they all talk out of their back side

  • John

    John

  • BarrysHypocrisy

    He needs to dig up every single article and online video of Biden saying this and use it as his defense. Right or wrong (it’s wrong), the VICE PRESIDENT was on a national stage telling people do do this. Make Biden defend his words.

  • bfit58

    of course Barton is wrong, but it doesn’t hurt to hold the idiot V.P. responsible for what he said. there are plenty of stupid people around who would follow his advice.

    • Josh Levy

      Exactly. Every single defendant in a firearms case should be citing the VP. Every court in the U.S. should be forced to go on record that the VP has no clue what he is talking about.

  • Kyllein MacKellerann

    I suspect the Vice President’s credibility is going to be the real victim here…assuming he ever had any to begin with.

  • country boy

    Ya know, an executive order has the rule of law, can’t this be seen as a vice-executive order?

  • porkchop6209

    You guys may be looking at it wrong. Most liberals/Dems hate guns. Can’t do away with the 2nd, can’t get Congress to pass BS laws, so get Biden, and high-ups, to give idiot advice as if it’s the gospel, the when idiots follow that advice, law takes their guns and convicts them of crime. Viola! Instant gun control!

  • Ron Kavanaugh

    When we do what WE want they call us heretics…… when we do what THEY want they call us criminals….

  • Pat Kennedy

    Let him go and make Biden recant his words if he doesn’t want anyone else in the future released because of his moronic advice.

  • Duker

    Hey guys what’s all the nasty arguing about? I believe all the guy was doing was to show our beloved”VICE KING BIDEN’s” ignorance in a public venue. After all, isn’t that what we all want!?!?

  • Thomas F. McDonald

    not guilty. if a democrat gave firearm advise it must be sound and accurate, after all they know that all guns take “CLIPS”

  • rocketman21

    Least he got part of it right.

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